I am fascinated by this new development with the children's biological parents. I am surprised none of you are discussing it.

I loved MJ though not "grieving" his death. It will happen to all of us, right? More than anything have been fascinated by the "weirdness" of his life the past 10-20 years.
Regarding his relationship with little boys, I honestly believe he didn't realize what he was doing could possibly be harmful, or was "wrong".

My husband and I were watching the footage of him dangling that baby of the ledge of the building, and we both couldn't help from laughing. He obviously got overexcited with the fans. I must be crazy for finding humor in that.

So, has anyone heard that there will be an open casket public viewing somewhere? Now that will be quite an event!

Moody, I can only look at him and his life in psychological terms. I don't have any emotional feelings whatsoever. Not sure why. I remember finding his interview with that guy, Beshara or something like that beyond fascinating. I watched the made for TV movie about his growing up years in horror. I always felt bad for him. I also knew that the children were not his. You can just tell by looking at them. I did assume that Debra Rowe was the mom. I don't think Michael has ever had intercourse with a woman. I feel bad that his diehard fans have to hear bad stuff about him. But, sadly that's unavoidable. I personally would like to see the children with people who protect them, love them, give them a normal life and keep Joe Jackson away from them.

He was really a fascinating character. I remember that interview. Also the one when he had Oprah come to Neverland.

Nancy Grace is all about Michael Jackson tonite. Someone from US magazine says he knows for a fact MJ is not the biological dad, but Debbie Rowe is the biological mom. Course she uses the terms "bio dad" and "bio mom".

Anderson Cooper is talking about MJ too. (Most people are these days.) Anyway, I thought it was worth a mention since he is much easier on the eyes and ears. Nancy Grace is too loud for me.

I think he was in such a mind altered state, between the drug abuse and living in "Never Land" I really don't think he realized playing touch the pee pee or whatever they did was wrong!

Like Phil, I think MJ thought of himself as a child. He really wasn't one to put his own needs (ESPECIALLY SEXUAL) before someone else - particularly children's well being.

You're right Lianne, substance abuse is usually started because of other "mental health" issues. From all the items he bought, the creation of Never Land, etc. It's obvious this was a very depressed man. I don't think he had any sexual feelings at all.

I don't blame the man or anyone else. His life circumstances were extraordinary. I would love to hear more from Elizabeth Taylor and Brooke Shields. I do remember Brooke getting a little upset with him when he was telling people that she was his "girl friend".

jfan,

Oh. My. God.

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Would-Be Baby Mama Wants Jackson's Kids, Estate

She's ba-a-ack.

A woman who claims to be Michael Jackson's ex-wife is arguing that the late King of Pop's "properties, monies and assets must be transferred to [her] immediately."

That, and she should get physical and legal custody of all three of Jackson's children because she is their biological mother—a claim she repeatedly pressed in 2006 and 2007 in several failed attempts at getting custody and financial support.

Per documents filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superiro Court, Nona Paris Lola Jackson is also demanding that Jackson's body, which a source told us is currently in cold storage at L.A.'s Forest Lawn cemetary awaiting interment, be returned to the coroner's office.

After which she should be flown to Los Angeles and put in charge of future negotiations with AEG Live regarding any upcoming tribute concerts or other business ventures.

Nona Paris, who is representing herself in these preceedings, detailed all of this—including the claim that she and Jackson are still married because the deceased, "though died to this earth...lives with my father (Satan the devil) Khalid Lucifer"—in 93 handwritten pages.

On Earth, however, they legally separated in 2008, according to the filing.

The petitioner also demands that "her" children be taken care of by Taj Jackson until she is able to take custody of them. And she wants the entire Jackson family out of "her" Encino home because she doesn't want them around the kids.

The court told her not to call them, that they'd call her, and scheduled a hearing on the matter for Aug. 19.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b132309_would-be_baby_mama_wants_jacksons_kids.html?sid=twitterfeed_topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=twitterfeed&utm_campaign=twitterfeed_topstories

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Debbie Rowe: "I Want My Children"

"I want my children," Rowe said during a 90-minute phone conversation Thursday morning with NBCLA's Chuck Henry.
Rowe said she was willing to submit to any testing, including DNA to prove that she is the children's true biological mother. Rowe also said she would submit to psychological testing.
She also said she would seek a restraining order to keep Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, away from the children.
The agreement does allow for visition, but Rowe said it's a very difficult process.
"I am stepping up," Rowe said. "I have to."
Rowe said she was still grieving. She said she decided she had to seek custody after Jackson's death.
Jackson, who died at age 50, left behind three children: son Michael Joseph Jr., known as Prince Michael, 12; daughter Paris Michael Katherine, 11; and son Prince Michael II, 7. Rowe was the mother of the two oldest children.
The youngest was born to a surrogate mother, who has never been identified.
Rowe said she was concerned about splitting up the children. She said she did not expect the court to grant custody of the third child, but added that she would be willing to accept custody.
Rowe, who was married to Jackson in 1996 and filed for divorce three years later, surrendered her parental rights. An appeals court later found that was done in error, and Rowe and Jackson entered an out-of-court settlement in 2006.
Earlier this week, Jackson's mother was appointed temporary guardian of the children, pending a hearing on Monday. A will signed by Jackson in 2002 and filed with the court Wednesday requests that Katherine Jackson be named guardian of the children, but in the event of her death, he asked that singer Diana Ross be appointed.
The will also specifically leaves Rowe out of any inheritance.
"I have intentionally omitted to provide for my former wife, Deborah Jean Rowe Jackson," the will states.
Rowe's attorney, Eric George, told the Los Angeles Times he will be at the custody hearing Monday to represent her.


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Debbie-Rowe-I-Want-My-Children.html

I'm sure this will be unpopular, but if she wants all three, then I hope she gets them.
Maybe they could have a normal life, go to school, and be away from the crazy Jackson family. Oh, and away from Jehovah Witnesses too.

This is certainly going to get messy...those poor children.
"I want my children"?? I thought she was the surrogate and didn't provide the eggs? Now that the other nut flake claims to have provided the eggs, Debbie Rowe all of a sudden wants the kids?? These people are CRAZY! There's a reason MJ intentionally omitted to provide for his former wife...probably because she already received a lot of money for carrying the children for him.
God help these beautiful children.
I am not a Jehovah's Witness, but I have met some very nice people of this faith over the years...including a cousin who left her Catholic faith to become one. Not all are as crazy as this family is.

I don't think we will ever know the truth to most of these stories concerning the Jacksons. How do we know who to believe and who not to in these articles? I've always thought though that what is written in a will is more or less how things will go?? I know wills have to be updated, but he did not want her in their lives. Period. It will be up to her as the kids turn 18 to try to build a relationship with them. For now, I think it would not be in her best interest or the children's. They've stated grandma and that's what the will said.
At first, I supported Debbie Rowe for getting custody of the children, but now that she has joined the circus, I'm not too sure she's in it for all the right reasons...and there are 3 good reasons, IMO.

i dont care at all about this,and I wish it wasnt on every channel i tried to watch!!!

But I think it's great that you guys have somewhere to talk about it.

i was going to watch a show on Ferrah and i turned it there and it was MJ! I was mad and turned off the tv.

I think that the kids would be better off not being raised in the family that raised Michael Jackson. Holding aside the religious issues, I think the kids will grow up in the same type of destructive atmosphere Michael Jackson himself did. They will certainly grow up in a fishbowl.

What is said in a will IS NOT what goes as far as custody is concerned. My sister is the person that I have named in my will to get custody of my son if I should die but I know that my son's Dad is more likely to actually get the custody if he wants it. I specifically named my sister figuring if my EX did not want custody, my sister is the best choice for taking over.

Biological parents do have a lot of rights - that is why courts ruled to send Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba. We don't know how involved Deborah Rowe wanted to be and how she was prevented from doing so. But if she is not an abusive, cruel human being than I think the kids will be better off with her than raised in the Jackson circus.

Longer story, more detail on her life. It's not 100% good or bad about her.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-debbie-rowe2-2009jul02,0,1137159.story

It does say that the Jackson's made it very difficult on her to visit.

Rowe complained in court records that she had to go through lawyers to send birthday balloons to her children, travel long distances to see them and had trouble getting makeup visits if she missed a scheduled appointment because of an illness.

She also said she was able to see the children only in hotel rooms surrounded by Jackson's representatives.

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As far as wills are concerned.. you can give away property, but you can't give away your kids to just anyone you want. The court decides that. If both parents are dead, they usually go along with the request unless the one named in the will is unfit. Courts almost always rule for the biological parent even in cases of divorce and estrangement. The Jackson clan will have to prove her unfit.

I don't think Debbie gave Michael the children out of the goodness of her heart did she?I think they made a deal concerning money.If that is true I don't feel too bad for Debbie.When the dust settles and she finds out all of Michaels money is owed out and she still wants the children I will look at her in a new light.As for now I'm taking a wait and see stance.