Michael Jackson thread #2

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NancyB (admin) wrote:

I think some folks here might think I'm really negative toward him. I actually think he may have been innocent ( in the eyes of the public... obviously legally he was )
And no doubt he was a very talented artist.

What gets my hackles up is his leech-like family. Over the years I've read about how he distanced himself from them. They kept wanting him to join the act again, but he always refused, even when he needed the money. And of course Joe had been completely cut off by MJ.

My other complaint is how the media is in overkill mode. They should make us want more coverage, not less.

I guess the next drama will the the custody of the kids. I just wish Janet was in a place in her life where she could do it. For some reason, I think she has the temperament and obviously the youth to raise the children. I also think Debbie Rowe should get better visitation rights. Again, from reading things, they made it very difficult for her to see or even communicate with them. No matter how crappy your mother is, I think kids always need to know they are important to their mother. Just look at all the stories about adopted children who want to know their birth mother. It's a pull humans have I guess.

I feel exactly the same way about his family. They used him for years and I wouldn't be surprised if they put a "memorial" tour just to use him some more. To be honest I have had a cringe-like attitude towards him for years, I just feel like everything is put in perspective once I saw his kids. I did a little homework about the "cases" and the bottom line is there is alot of reasonable doubt. The older kids are at the age where they understand what is being said and I am just so scared for them. I can totally appreciate why he hid them for so long.

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 9th 2009, 9:33 am

I saw her previous lawyer show one picture ( of their Daddy) she says of many the kids drew for Debbie so think they know more about her than we know but as their Mother? I doubt it but as very close friend? probably.

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Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 9th 2009, 11:18 am

Moody wrote:

Oprah interviewed MJ in 1993. I remember this very well. I could only find part 4. I got the impression Oprah had mixed feelings about him.

I think they had some unfortunate similarities with incidents/abuse in their upbringing. Therefore, she may have been uncomfortable with the allegations against him. So many times, the cycle of abuse repeats itself. Like her, I wonder time and time again why he would continue to put himself in those questionable situations with young boys.

NancyB (admin) wrote:

I think some folks here might think I'm really negative toward him. I actually think he may have been innocent ( in the eyes of the public... obviously legally he was )
And no doubt he was a very talented artist.

What gets my hackles up is his leech-like family. Over the years I've read about how he distanced himself from them. They kept wanting him to join the act again, but he always refused, even when he needed the money. And of course Joe had been completely cut off by MJ.

My other complaint is how the media is in overkill mode. They should make us want more coverage, not less.

I guess the next drama will the the custody of the kids. I just wish Janet was in a place in her life where she could do it. For some reason, I think she has the temperament and obviously the youth to raise the children. I also think Debbie Rowe should get better visitation rights. Again, from reading things, they made it very difficult for her to see or even communicate with them. No matter how crappy your mother is, I think kids always need to know they are important to their mother. Just look at all the stories about adopted children who want to know their birth mother. It's a pull humans have I guess.

I believe there is a natural pull to your family. Adopted children often long for the place where they fit in, i.e. someone that looks like them, someone that acts like them, someone that thinks like them. Their birth mother would provide that for them unlike any other.

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Man Candy Number of posts: 961 Registration date: 2008-01-18

Michael Jackson's doctor said their first attemps to treat his Vitiligo were to treat the light spots on his skin with ultra-violent light and makeup. But his condition became so severe that the amount of makeup required just to leave his house became "ridiculous"
They were left with no option but to begin treating the dark spots.

The doc also said the "moment" MJ first entered his office he diagnosed him with Lupus (just by looking at him) shocking Michael Jackson.
Testing later comfirmed it.

(Just a FYI, I thought it was interesting)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15TSEKXXIvI&feature=related

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 10th 2009, 4:41 pm

was wrote:

Michael Jackson's doctor said their first attemps to treat his Vitiligo were to treat the light spots on his skin with ultra-violent light and makeup. But his condition became so severe that the amount of makeup required just to leave his house became "ridiculous"
They were left with no option but to begin treating the dark spots.

The doc also said the "moment" MJ first entered his office he diagnosed him with Lupus (just by looking at him) shocking Michael Jackson.
Testing later comfirmed it.

(Just a FYI, I thought it was interesting)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15TSEKXXIvI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15TSEKXXIvI&feature=related[/quote[/url]] Well finally glad we can put the rumor to rest that he was trying to be white...........

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 10th 2009, 7:18 pm

I am still not 100% positive that he did not intentionally bleach his skin. There are pictures out of his first son when he was little. The boy's hair is clearly dyed platinum blond. What's that about? If Michael was proud of his blackness, why did he intentionally find a white surrogate and use a white man's sperm? He could have had beautiful black children, but he chose not to.

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 10th 2009, 8:05 pm

thatgirl, my son had platinum blonde hair up until he was about 8 and then it slowly got darker and by the time he hit his teens, it was light brown.

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 10th 2009, 8:16 pm

Mrs. C. I have seen that many times, but this boy's hair was not naturally platinum blond in the pictures. It really looked dyed. It also looked like he was wearing red lipstick.

http://www.okmagazine.com/2009/07/photos-michael-jackson-at-home-with-prince-paris/

In other pictures during the same period his was a different shade of blond, more golden. Someone was messing with his hair. When he was younger, he had dark hair.

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 10th 2009, 8:18 pm

thatgirl wrote:

I am still not 100% positive that he did not intentionally bleach his skin. There are pictures out of his first son when he was little. The boy's hair is clearly dyed platinum blond. What's that about? If Michael was proud of his blackness, why did he intentionally find a white surrogate and use a white man's sperm? He could have had beautiful black children, but he chose not to.

thatbrat, no, ..his son was a very, very light blonde (I think my Mom called them towheads)...anyway, two of my sisters and my one brother were towheads when they were young too....Sara is 35 now and is a light brunette, Colleen is 50 and an ash blonde (from a bottle, she would be light brunette) and my brother Sean has light brown hair.
So, Michael never dyed his child's hair...that was very natural.
Most towheads change to dirty blonde or light brown eventually.

As for him wanting a white child...that means nothing to me.
No more than my Caucasian friends adopting an Asian baby or an African American baby.

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Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 10th 2009, 8:26 pm

Check above for a link. I'll try to find another one of him when he was even younger.

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 10th 2009, 8:29 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/gallery/michael_jackson.shtml?select=04

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 10th 2009, 8:32 pm

Read this article I found and look at the pics. I'm not making it up:)

http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2009/06/29/rare-photos-michael-jackson-family-album/

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 10th 2009, 8:32 pm

I still don't think it was dyed, but that's just my opinion. My sons hair would look brighter depending on the lighting or time of year. Kids hair changes so much. Everyone thought my daughter had highlights from the age of 3 til she was about 10 because she so many different shades of blonde going through her hair. I always said woman would pay big money to have her color without having to spend hours at the salon, as I do now. lol

Man Candy Number of posts: 961 Registration date: 2008-01-18

I found this song on YouTube today. I'd never heard it before.
It was recorded for the "Bad" record but was pulled off by Quincy Jones in favor of the song "Another part of me"

It's a great song, Very Rare. I thought you guys might enjoy it....
I love this man's music.

(BTW: The video shows he could dance a little too, who knew?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfQKEzYCdX0&feature=related

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 11th 2009, 12:14 am

That was awesome! Thank you, was. I really like that song. I haven't heard it before, either. His music was great.

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 11th 2009, 8:01 am

This is all so sad.

Thanks for the vocals Was.

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 15th 2009, 6:31 pm

Pepsi commercial video..

LINK

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 15th 2009, 6:58 pm

Didn't it look like his spins, for the most part, put the flame out? Wow

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 15th 2009, 7:17 pm

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 15th 2009, 9:16 pm

wow This video has been kept under wraps for all these years? That was terrible.

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Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 15th 2009, 10:10 pm

Unbelievable! He probably never wanted it released. I can't imagine how traumatic it must have been and then if he had been subjected to re-watching it over and over again. That was horrible.

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Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 July 16th 2009, 10:29 am

The baby mamma, Debbie sound like a real winner, doesn't she?

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 August 24th 2009, 6:20 pm

Coroner rules Michael Jackson's death homicide

LOS ANGELES - A law enforcement official tells The Associated Press that the Los Angeles County coroner has ruled Michael Jackson's death a homicide. The official says the coroner determined a fatal combination of drugs was given to Jackson hours before he died in his rented Los Angeles mansion on June 25. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the findings have not been publicly released.

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Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 August 24th 2009, 8:25 pm

Well let's see ... his doc Conrad Murray, has lost his patient, his home is in foreclosure (how'd that happen) the cops have been searching all of his 'stuff' and he will now need bucco bucks of his ill gotten gains to find an attorney to help him out of a murder investigation where he is the prime suspect.... it must suck to be him right about now.

Subject: Re: Michael Jackson thread #2 August 24th 2009, 9:39 pm

Liann wrote:

Moody wrote:

I am fascinated by this new development with the children's biological parents. I am surprised none of you are discussing it.

I loved MJ though not "grieving" his death. It will happen to all of us, right? More than anything have been fascinated by the "weirdness" of his life the past 10-20 years.
Regarding his relationship with little boys, I honestly believe he didn't realize what he was doing could possibly be harmful, or was "wrong".

My husband and I were watching the footage of him dangling that baby of the ledge of the building, and we both couldn't help from laughing. He obviously got overexcited with the fans. I must be crazy for finding humor in that.

So, has anyone heard that there will be an open casket public viewing somewhere? Now that will be quite an event!

I have refrained from saying much as not to upset anyone here but I think a few days have passed and ppl have come to terms with the fact that all of us ppl who really don't know him or what happened still have opinions.

My opinion is that he was a HUGE part of my childhood and that I can separate his monumental influence as an icon in my life and him as a real human being that has faults. I completely celebrate the musical and dancing genius that he was but I'm simply not going to pretend to think he didn't have inappropriate relations with young boys in his later years.

Some will point blame for his actions at others like his Dad but in my opinion HE had control over his actions AT ALL TIMES and that a child's job growing up is to LEARN from your parent's mistakes and fix shit and do better. Dude was 50, please.

I think in the last years he was trying to do just that but his addiction and those who were enabling him made a real chance impossible.

From all that I have read/heard I am really thinking MJ orchestrated his death. Well he was convinced to do this. I said early on my first thought was Kavorkian.

I see in MJ's death quite a few ppl making a few bucks off of tribute tours, new record labels, custody rights, reality shows, etc.... the list goes on and on.

I think MJ had been looking for a way to rest and this was what he was lead to believe would be the best for everyone in his life as well as spiritually being judged.

I think he was ready to either be admonished for his sins thus survive, be taken to a heavenly paradise, or be judged and sent to hell.

Addiction to drugs or any other altering substance starts with some form of depression IMO.

I'm really getting sick of ppl who keep talking about MJ like he was a child. HE WAS 50 FUCKING YEARS OLD PPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KNEW it.