Just like Dick did right? jfan, I'm sorry I was so there before. The payoff never comes. These 2 guys WON, that is really all they will care about for the next several weeks, after that their lives will go on. I think everyone realizes it was a game at some point and that they lost. Sheila will probably be the only one bitching about losing in 10 years. Natalie has one of the best outlooks on life and ability to ignore critisism of anyone I have ever seen. I would bet my life that feed watcher's opinions of her will be irrelevant and will roll off like water on a duck's butt. I already figured out why so many dislike Nat, I feel bad for her but not in the same way. I am happy for her as well because she really was the best thing about this season and many feel that way and she will know. At least she tried to play the game.

Whatever, not here to fight, just didn't agree and thought it could be discussed. Have a great weekend.

Inky, is it really only two and half months until another BB? wow.

Yes, I too was glad when Natalie was evicted. She had moments of good game play but, for me, those were overshadowed by her religious hypocrisy. I too disliked Amber and Jameka from last season and the twins from season 5 for the same reason. "We are the 'good' people, they are the 'evil' people and god will reward us and help us advance in the game and will punish them." (but, by the way, don't judge me for my past misdeeds because I've seen the light and have been forgive. You, however, are not forgiven) This type of outlook is the source of a lot of hatred and violence.
Natalie may come to regret some of the raunchier choices she made in the house. (good grief, that Youtube of BB2 Will in bed with Shannon and Shannon's supposed "asthma attack" is still there seven years later - I'm sure Natalie's exploits will still be there years from now as well as those of some of the others) I couldn't care less about the bjs or any of the other sex stuff though I'll never understand why HGs choose this type of behaviour in a place where they know that everything is being filmed or why they share personal information about themselves that leaves them open for criticism from the feed watchers and does absolutely nothing to help them in the game, in fact, it just provides ammunition for the other competitors.
For heaven's sake, if you want to have sex with someone in the house, plan it out. Wait 'till BB plays the morning music or wait 'till the half way party and then go for it in the storage room or something.

In my opinion, the male HGs' opinion of women in general sucks and I sure don't see what any of them have going for themselves in the looks, personality or career areas that would allow them to feel superior to anyone. None of them are anything to write home about. (Well, I guess James has at least one attribute that he could legitimately feel superior about, no?)

Whatever, I guess. I hope the HGs in BB10 are a more diverse, interesting, subtle and intelligent group.
Jessie

Hey OliveJuice and Maltese! Nice to see other Ryan and Adam supporters out there!! I can't wait to see the finale tomorrow night! Being from the Buckeye state I've rooted for Ryan from the be-ginning and I hope he wins. I know I am in the minority, but I have enjoyed this season a lot. I think they, all the houseguests, have pulled out all kinds of different strategies and have really played the game. And that's what it is, a game. Nothing should be taken too seriously. And, in the end the best gamer will win. I too, liked Natalie . I felt sooo badly for her when her boys turned against her. But, I think she realizes they were playing the game. I think Nat has her fans out there and she'll be okay.

We had different favorites, but I actually liked this season too, ebowers.

When Natalie told Adam that God would no longer protect him if he didn't nominate James, that's when she lost me for good.

Jane, do you think that maybe it was all just game play on Natalie's part? I do. I don't think for one minute she believed that. If Adam believed it, while that's his problem. Natalie needed a strategy and she went with religion.

Was it gameplay when he told Josh that he would not be going to heaven because he was Gay?

Just curious about that....

LaLa, I think everything that is said and done in that house is somehow related to game play. We've seen it season after season where the houseguests say and do very mean things to each other and then once outside the house they forgive each other and move on. We the viewers have a harder time with that. Josh and Nat seemed to be getting along in sequester. He seemed to have forgiven her. (I figured that you meant Nat said that to Josh and not Adam). Maybe she was trying to throw him off his game and wanted him to become upset and emotional? Did it work?

I've never bought the theory that a H/G was a totally different person outside the BBH.
I think in society they probably mask the actions that they portray inside the house.
IMO you cannot slip so easily into behavior of that sort without it already being a part of your makeup, be it a small part or a large part.
IMO those that are liars inside the house are liars outside the house..those that mistreat women inside the house have done the same or have a tendency to do so outside the house...If a person is immoral than they are immoral...These behaviors are not a cloak that they slip in and out of so easily.
I've heard Janelle, Kaysar and Howie say of themselves and each other that they are the same in society as they are playing the BB game and I believe them...
These excuses other players make of, Oh I am entirely different in the outside world is as far as I'm concerned a crock of bull poop...Being isolated in that house just exaggerates those behaviors that they keep under submission while out in society.
I will have to say this in defense of Dick...he does not try to present himself a different person in society than he did inside the BBH....Do I like his behavior...Good Golly NO! but at least he is not a hypocrite....He's just yucky, gross and disrespectful and he seems to pride himself on his behavior.

How would you rate the top three worst BB final two winners?

Here's my order:

1.Maggie & Ivette
2.Ryan & Adam
3.Allison & Jun

Eta. My number 4 would be Erika & Boogie.

What would you have preferred her to do? Admit it to everyone, a group of people where half strongly disliked her and 2 already crossed the line by throwing shit at her?? I'm sure she is embarrassed. She was used by a guy and she was stupid for doing it. Does that mean I should hang her? Look, the fact that she blew Matt 4 times doesn't take anything away from what I said above. I never said she was perfect, neither did she.

I still think she was the highlight of this season with her wonderful attitude and outlook on life, blowjobs and all. She drove me nuts several times watching, I don;t wish she had won. I just got a kick out of her many times. The moment Natalie referenced God or showed she had her personal bible, I knew she would be labeled and compared to Amber and Jameka, or just disliked because people are bothered by other's strong faith. She opened up this can of worms and CBS milked it for all it was worth.

worst final 2's....


Dick & Daniele
Maggie & Ivette
Boogie & Erika

FLGAL, over the 9 seasons of BB we all have put many hg's up on pedastals and all hg's do things in the name of the game that they are not proud of later. Just because Natalie lied on a reality show where she was trying to win a lot of $$ doesn't make her a bad person. Big deal... she lied about something that happened on a reality show, they all do. And yes, I agree that once she decided to use religion as her game play, the producers went with it. Every year someone tries it. I wonder if anyone will ever win using this as their game play.

Worst fianl 2 ever Maggie and Ivette, Jun and Allison, and Dick and Daniele (it makes me wonder why some people are always willing to forgive Dick's actions in the house but are so very harsh with others... yes, I know Dick was up front about it, but he still did and said vile things and continues this game in real life)